Monday, 21 November 2011

Leader's debate recap

Don't let former National candidate Paul Henry tell you otherwise.

Blue tie? Nope. That's Key's blue-blooded scalp right there.

Now, Kiwiblog will tell you that the "worm" panel was stuffed with Labour shills. So far, they've identified 3/65 through Twitter. (Actually, two of those are Greens fans, either way...)

UPDATE: TV3 retorts.

Which in a round-about way only proves my original point that the Worm is a terrible device and a bad idea. But either way, ignoring the Worm entirely, Goff was on point the entire time, landing hit after hit, while Key looked more and more rattled about actually being confronted with the hard facts that he has made NZ a worse place for many people.

Under the cut is my stream-of-consciousness notes as I live-blogged the debate on my Bookface.




  • In-Studio panel is only 65, not 100 as in the 2002 debate. Alarm bells already...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Gud evening evvrywun... God he's a smug jerk.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Nice simple message from Goff, focused around keeping state assets that gets a way bigger bump than Key did. Interesting...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Key on child poverty and immunisation rates; takes credit for the Green policy of home insulation. Starts on with his 'oh woe is me with my poor childhood' story. Blah blah blah.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Jesus, Goff keeps getting huge spikes on the Worm thing whenever he talks about his policies. Still think it's a rubbish gimmick, even tho it's working for my team...
    2 hours ago ·

  • ‎...oh my gosh, massive dip for when Key tries to defend his tax cuts for the rich.
    2 hours ago ·

  • ‎...and, John Key, minimum wage rises DO NOT cause job losses. A treasury report that you tried to bury proves this.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Key absolutely cannot handle being contradicted. Seriously loses the plot whenever the truth doesn't back up his narrative.
    2 hours ago ·

  • ‎"Won't Somebody Think Of The Children!" says John Key, promising to do something sometime about child abuse or something? I dunno.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Also, the John Key Death Glare is pretty intense.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Goff's got a lot of emotional anecdotes to deploy from folk in his electorate, and is backing these up with numbers, and is generally on good form heading into the break... quietly impressed with him. No wonder Key's been dodging interviews opposite him...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Back into it with a question on minimum wage and how to boost jobs. Key doing a shakey-head at $15/hour.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Goff seems to have learned the lesson of the first debate and is bringing up more and more Labour policy as well as pointing out Key's mistakes and weaknesses...
    2 hours ago ·

  • OH MY GOD JOHN KEY IS TRYING TO UPHOLD THE LABOUR LAW BUTCHERING OVER THE HOBBIT AS AN EXAMPLE OF CREATING JOBS
    2 hours ago ·

  • WHAT KIND OF MARTIAN WORLD DOES HE LIVE IN where changing labour laws to suit the whims of big business counts as creating jobs?
    2 hours ago ·

  • JOHN KEY DEATH GLARE at Goff bringing up the Treasury report. The Worm is indifferent to this portion of things.
    2 hours ago ·

  • O Em Gee Key's bringing up cutting youth rates as an example of caring for young people?
    2 hours ago ·

  • Aaaaand the Worm cuts out after a long period of flatlining. Technical difficulties?
    2 hours ago ·

  • Now they're bringing up rival surveys on big business as to which party boardrooms back; interestingly, Deloitte's survey shows that 2/3rs of respondents reckon National haven't got a job creation plan.
    2 hours ago ·

  • WHAAAAA Key's claiming that Labour gave them a decade of deficits? When Labour payed off shitloads of national debt?
    2 hours ago ·

  • ‎"Going Forward" from Key. Bingo!
    2 hours ago ·

  • Key's holding up rise in pension rates as proof that wages are higher now... something that I'd have to look into. Asset sales after the break!
    2 hours ago ·

  • John Key: European countries going crazy, so we need to pay off more debt. Which is why we're going to sell state assets to pay for 1) fancier schools 2) on highways, 3) on irrigation. Um...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Worm might be malfunctioning in the Studio, but while it flatlined on Key's case for selling S.O.E's, and giving a slight boost into the +'s while Goff's talking about keeping them.
    2 hours ago ·

  • OH SNAP, Key blinked.
    2 hours ago ·

  • Worm out of action for a while during Key talking about how the polls showing Kiwis hate asset sales count less than the polls that show John Key is awesome. Umm...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Oooooooh, Campbell: "Are there other assets [that you want to sell]"
    2 hours ago ·

  • Key: "We've been very open and transparent." "Can you answer the question?" "I'll tell you in 2014."
    2 hours ago ·

  • And Goff lands more body blows going into the next round and Key's looking more and more like he's been caught with his hand in the cokie jar. "National will not sell Kiwibank while I am leader and Prime Minister." Yeah, let's see what Bill English has to say about that later...
    2 hours ago ·

  • Goff on Epsom: "The people of Epsom should vote for who they want to." Key is "totally relaxed" if Epsom vote tactically. The Worm HATES IT when Key tells 'em to vote tactically...
    about an hour ago ·

  • I think I understand the appeal of the worm now. It makes it great for us bloggers. ^_^
    about an hour ago ·

  • Key: "[Center-Left] is volatile" Bingo!
    about an hour ago ·

  • Worm also hates it when Key talks about how reliable ACT is.
    about an hour ago ·

  • Goff's first worm dip comes when he talks about Winston doing the responsible thing. Worm hates Winston.
    about an hour ago ·

  • Goff rules out Hone. Worm in absentia.
    about an hour ago ·

  • Key is very proud of their environmental record... O RLY
    about an hour ago ·

  • Key laughs off meddling in Act with "Nothing to do with me! *I* was at the royal wedding!"
    about an hour ago ·

  • Which I am *so* going to screencap the shit out of.
    about an hour ago ·

  • Coming into the final round, Goff might've taken some hits on not ruling out Winston, but Key is looking increasingly rattled and his 'charming man' bit is wearing very thin...
    about an hour ago ·

  • Goff: I promise I won't pretend everything is OK when we all know it's not. BAM! K. O. !
    about an hour ago · · 1

  • John Key: "You've heard a lot about politics in this debate, but the election should be about Building A Brighter Future."
    about an hour ago ·

  • Key comes across in his final speech as flimsy and spouting catchphrases while Goff stares each viewer right in the face and gives you a solid promise to be, well, honest...
    about an hour ago ·

  • Paul bloody Henry calls it for Key despite all the evidence, because he's a shit. Garner calls it a tie, despite Goff kicking ass. New lady whose name I can't recall doesn't want to make a call. Goddamn analysis kills it every time.
    about an hour ago ·
  • [Friend, Name Redacted] I thought the analysis was total bullshit too. After basically spending their time saying how incredibly well Goff did, they basically all said it'd go to National. I totally disagree - Goff quite obviously did insanely well - the worm was very much with him except with the Winston part. The media has really unleashed a relentless bias this year, stuff.co.nz in particular. And that woman was hilarious.

    26 minutes ago ·

  • I think Jane Clifton did a column on "The media have been telling us for the last three years that Goff can't win the election, that's a hard road to climb." That being said, Goff has done very well this whole way through and I think that if more people were paying attention, Labour'd be doing much better in the polls...

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